uh, the Democrats in America are WAY different than the liberals we have here in Holland. With the liberals you mean VVD, which is a right-wing party, but the democrats are more centre-right. So you can probably compare the Democrats to a combination of CDA & PVDA. Since they are both crappy parties, I must agree with you that I also think Kerry is not the option. BUT the same thought has been going through my mind ever since Bush squatted the White-House in 2000; "Anything But Bush!".
The politics in Holland and America can't be compared; one of the most important reasons is that America has a two-party system (they have more parties, but unfortunately they are not heard enough), and we have about 20. I know you can argue which is a better system, but that's another topic.

I'm no huge Kerry supporter by any means, but we HAVE TO get Bush out of office. He's not only a menace to the rest of the world, but to us here in America (well, for the American posters here). His foreign policy is beyond comical how horrible it is, he's alienated us from pretty much every ally by now, thanks Georgio. The guy's also a religious zealot, the way he justifies everything with religion, and even though Kerry stresses his religion, he at least admits when it does and doesn't have any place with his politics. George Bush helps me to be embarassed to be from this country, even if my state probably won't give him the electorals (Illinois), he still makes my state look bad (as obviously the enemies to this country don't care which state did what), and puts me at danger. We just need to move in baby steps slowly to the left in this country to even remotely fix anything. Get GW out of office and make this world safer and better for our children.

Believe me, I am very knowledgable regarding politics, even to a fault. I listen to AM talk radio all day then proceed to go home and switch on the news. I read books, I read stuff on the internet. But I'm willing to listen to both sides and then make a decision. I truly wish every voter had to go through some kind of prerequisite and maybe even an IQ test before being allowed to vote, but that's never going to happen in this day and age of political correctness.

I'm sorry, is this a joke? Because if it isn't then it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read!

And what is wrong with political correctness? It's helped equal opportunities in the work place (something I believe isn't happening enough) and giving everyone equal rights. Something you've just taken away from a lot of people with one massive sweeping damning statement!

If it's a joke, then I'm sorry.

BTW, Talk Radio is notoriously right wing, both sides of the atlantic. Also, what news are you watching over there, because if it's Fox then I'm not even going there. They said the BBC was pro-Iraq! Genius!!!!





Oh, and I agree with Sink, old people should re-take their driving test, but maybe at 70 (60 isn't really that old).

[EphelDuath666]

Personally, I don´t think an IQ test for voters would be appropriate. But I think politicians should attend an IQ test. That would be interesting. I won´t claim that Kerry would have brilliant results but Bush...oh my Gosh "Mr Bush....1+1 =?. Mr. Bush, stop searching for fleas in my hair, damn it..!!!"

*ducks and covers*

Believe me, I am very knowledgable regarding politics, even to a fault. I listen to AM talk radio all day then proceed to go home and switch on the news. I read books, I read stuff on the internet. But I'm willing to listen to both sides and then make a decision. I truly wish every voter had to go through some kind of prerequisite and maybe even an IQ test before being allowed to vote, but that's never going to happen in this day and age of political correctness.

I'm sorry, is this a joke? Because if it isn't then it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read!

And what is wrong with political correctness? It's helped equal opportunities in the work place (something I believe isn't happening enough) and giving everyone equal rights. Something you've just taken away from a lot of people with one massive sweeping damning statement!

If it's a joke, then I'm sorry.

BTW, Talk Radio is notoriously right wing, both sides of the atlantic. Also, what news are you watching over there, because if it's Fox then I'm not even going there. They said the BBC was pro-Iraq! Genius

The operative word in BlueRaja's statement is "I". This is her point of view which she is entitled to without being bashed for it being the most ridiculous thing you have ever read.

As you talk of political correctness ... your avatar ... you truly consider that to be acceptable? to promote equality? Perhaps you need to consider your own position on this issue a little more rather than criticising others if the subject matter concerns you so much.

Please keep this as a discussion and take a little care before pressing enter that comments could not be construed as bashing or insulting. I am sure it is noone's intention, however, it is sailing close to the wind in this regard. Thank you. Any issues with my statements contact me through PM.

I'm no huge Kerry supporter by any means, but we HAVE TO get Bush out of office

Seriously, Kerry or Bush, do you obvioulsy think it will change anything ?
Do you think that they will bring innovations to the system ? I think they move toward each others unfortunally. Ok you have media attacks and all this brainwashing campaign, but beyond this, there's no program for real people's life.

uh, the Democrats in America are WAY different than the liberals we have here in Holland. With the liberals you mean VVD, which is a right-wing party, but the democrats are more centre-right. So you can probably compare the Democrats to a combination of CDA & PVDA. Since they are both crappy parties, I must agree with you that I also think Kerry is not the option. BUT the same thought has been going through my mind ever since Bush squatted the White-House in 2000; "Anything But Bush!".
The politics in Holland and America can't be compared; one of the most important reasons is that America has a two-party system (they have more parties, but unfortunately they are not heard enough), and we have about 20. I know you can argue which is a better system, but that's another topic.

No.... both democrats and republicans are as right wing as they get. But democrats are more liberal where republicans are more conservative, it's a different dimension. I think they differ most on issues regarding people's freedom and international affairs. But they still are very much in favour of a free market system and all that it brings with it.

Please keep this as a discussion and take a little care before pressing enter that comments could not be construed as bashing or insulting. I am sure it is noone's intention, however, it is sailing close to the wind in this regard. Thank you. Any issues with my statements contact me through PM.

OK, I apologise if I have been a little too harsh. It wasn't my intention to insult.

I heavily disagree with what was said though.

[EphelDuath666]

I'm no huge Kerry supporter by any means, but we HAVE TO get Bush out of office

Seriously, Kerry or Bush, do you obvioulsy think it will change anything ?
Do you think that they will bring innovations to the system ? I think they move toward each others unfortunally. Ok you have media attacks and all this brainwashing campaign, but beyond this, there's no program for real people's life.

I think his point, my point and the point of quite many here is that Kerry of course won´t be much different. He´s a politician and unfortunately they pretty much all suck. I can only speak for myself but I do think that if there´s a chance that Kerry does the job only 1% better, only the slightest bit, then he should get the chance and I think his views on certain things are better than Bush´s views. I for myself think Bush has done a really bad job and he shouldn´t stay in office, even if not much will change then but at least there was an attempt to make a change then. I truely think so and that is my opinion.

I think on internet there's always freedom of insult. Taking something way too seriously is weak and Darwin says the weak should die.

I think on internet there's always freedom of insult. Taking something way too seriously is weak and Darwin says the weak should die.

"freedom of insults" ... Yeah usually internet is very useful for weak people in that matter.

I think on internet there's always freedom of insult. Taking something way too seriously is weak and Darwin says the weak should die.

"freedom of insults" ... Yeah usually internet is very useful for weak people in that matter.

I don't understand what that means, Geoff.

I think on internet there's always freedom of insult. Taking something way too seriously is weak and Darwin says the weak should die.

"freedom of insults" ... Yeah usually internet is very useful for weak people in that matter.

In the end internet is just 1s and 0s. Maybe bit more zeros. If some one gets pleasure of insulting people online and makes them feel strong, fair enough. Rather that happening than him going out and impaling nuns.

I think on internet there's always freedom of insult. Taking something way too seriously is weak and Darwin says the weak should die.

I shall take that as a light hearted jokey comment Finn as I feel that is how it was intended but just in case any members think "Yes, I am free to insult!" may I remind those people of the rules on this board which every member has to agree to when signing up primarily ...

Rule 02 - While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate obscenity, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Our decision is final in these matters. Obviously the quality of the forum depends on the quality of the members who post. That's right, YOU. Like most things in life, the more you put into it the more you'll get out of it.

Rule 05 - No flaming, trolling or bullying! Keep it civil. Be respectful of other members opinions. Discuss the message, don’t attack the messenger. It's great to disagree but personal attacks or harassment will not be tolerated. Expressing hate towards people due to their religion, race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or any other bias will lead to the immediate banning. Insulting, threatening, harassing comments are not appropriate in the HDR forums community

Rule 01 .... Failure to observe these rules when posting may result in temporary or permanent suspension of your ability to participate in these forums. Also while these rules cover most common situations, they cannot anticipate everything. Consequently we reserve the right to take any actions we deem appropriate to ensure these forums are not disrupted or abused in any way.

So ... if anyone wishes to express insults, remember this is not the place to do it if you actually want to continue to be able to participate on the forums.

Now ... lets get back on topic to the subject matter this thread was created for shall we? Thank you.

Well there goes our FREEDOM