Woah! Good lord, it's a cheeseburger!!!
#224351 by Tivic Nolaxstorm
Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:47 am
It be cool if Deconstruction cd have fellow Mad Metaller multi-instrumentalist Mike Patton working Devin Townsend. That would be insane.
#224354 by catharsis
Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:50 am
let's see how many people can recommend cookie monster for deconstruction in the same thread!!!!
#224356 by catharsis
Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:51 am
haha maybe not as many as recommendations for a townsend/patton collaboration...
#224369 by dfowler340
Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:14 am
The Dev wrote:
...With Physicist, I was in a pretty grim place emotionally, and I didn't have the energy to make the production what I wanted. Planet Rain isn't bad, and some of the others are ok, but I think there's some great songs on there that didn't come across right because of these factors.

For example, I think 'The Complex' was a good song but the tempo is like 6 bpm too fast in hindsight.

I think Phys was about 70% right for my internal checklist.

I'll redo the key songs eventually.


Dev, for what it's worth, to this day Physicist still ellicits some of the most profound emotional responses for me as anything you've ever done (and I've got them all). By the time Planet Rain finishes I am literally almost in tears (not in a sad way, just in that way of feeling so strongly connected to the emotion of the music). There are VERY few albums out there that do that for me, especially after so many listens. So, for my two cents, I wouldn't change a thing with it.
#224378 by The Dev
Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:29 pm
Cool. I've got tons of new music waiting in the wings anyways...

Maybe 'Fizzy-Cyst'

It was honest in the same way Alien or Ki or anything. Maybe what I dislike so much about it, was the fact that I disliked MYSELF more than ever at that point.

Now, I wouldn't kick me out of bed for eating crackers, so it's allll good.
#224387 by Van Pole
Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:08 pm
The Dev wrote:Cool. I've got tons of new music waiting in the wings anyways...


You've propably secured YEARS with that material you got there.

Impressive work, Dev.
#224399 by daneulephus
Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:40 pm
I have to agree that Physicist elicits a major emotional response in me, but it is sometimes an emotion I am not always comfortable with. It is bleak, grey, and sort of dark. It reminds me of how I used to fool myself and everyone around me with my happy-on-the-surface facade, but inside I was a wreck. Dealing with loneliness, addiction, self-hatred. It was hard.

So, in those deep and dark moments, Physicist could be my best friend, and also my worst enemy. This is not a cut-down AT ALL. In fact, I think Physicist may have been the MOST emotional album. It just isn't always easy to listen to...for me.

Edit: So in hindsight, hearing it the way it was meant to be would be very interesting. I wonder how different my emotional response would be? Was it originally intended to be happy? hmmmm.....
#224406 by chiller
Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:45 pm
Ugh! What's happening in this thread? I was really looking forward to hearing a new version of Namaste. Really really looking forward to it. Don't be party poops people. I love Physicist and hearing the remakes of the best songs on it would rule. What's wrong with you guys?

I was hoping I could hear the new versions before I heard them live but that's probably asking for too much. :alien:
#224411 by Octillus
Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:52 pm
daneulephus wrote:I have to agree that Physicist elicits a major emotional response in me, but it is sometimes an emotion I am not always comfortable with. It is bleak, grey, and sort of dark. It reminds me of how I used to fool myself and everyone around me with my happy-on-the-surface facade, but inside I was a wreck. Dealing with loneliness, addiction, self-hatred. It was hard.

So, in those deep and dark moments, Physicist could be my best friend, and also my worst enemy. This is not a cut-down AT ALL. In fact, I think Physicist may have been the MOST emotional album. It just isn't always easy to listen to...for me.

Edit: So in hindsight, hearing it the way it was meant to be would be very interesting. I wonder how different my emotional response would be? Was it originally intended to be happy? hmmmm.....


I agree with this, but with one exception.

Namaste is so profoundly beautiful in the meaning of the word itself, that I see no issue with the theme. Despite the anger and rage and sadness and dead inside feelings, the light me still greets the light in you.

I dunno, I just love that song.
#224419 by kettle
Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:25 pm
Do any of you guys have a moisturising routine?
#224431 by hairbearbunch
Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:26 pm
I reckon we should all regularly buy Tattslotto tickets, and when some one wins big, make a recording/mixing studio for Dev so he won't have to think about re-mixing something to be as he'd liked it to have been due to financial/technological restrictions.












And buy Scott Kelly a new microphone and computer for KMBT radio.
#224502 by bike
Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:35 am
I remember, when I bought Physicist, me and my sisters turned it on really loud in the car, drove into the city (Munich) and while driving backwards into a parking space, smashed the car's rear window with a cut branch of a tree (kinda hard to explain what happend). It really sucked to have rain and the smashed window everywhere in the car ;)
I haven't listened to it for at least 5 years after that incident. But some weeks ago I had to drive around germany and took it with me, again, loud and it was great. Driving at 6am on an empty german Autobahn, being AWAKE. There are great songs on this album, sometimes the wall of sound is too thick for my taste though, it's so dense. Ki and Addicted are really miles ahead in terms of sound. But it all rocks!
#224528 by hairbearbunch
Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:33 am
The Dev wrote:Maybe 'Fizzy-Cyst'

Reminds me of one of the Terrorust tracks 'Farmacyst'.
#224529 by Antiyou
Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:51 am
The Oid wrote:I think it's quite interesting to hear a different take on a song you already like. I'm a massive fan of Physicist, it was the album that introduced me to Devin's solo work, but I'd still be interested to hear how it was supposed to sound. At the end of the day, if I don't like it, there's always the original. Some people didn't like Physicst, maybe this will help them "get it".

I'm a sucker for remixes and all that though.

I think hearing a different version of a song can give you a whole new appreciation of the original. You hear parts that weren't so clear in the original, and appreciate them more. At least I do. It's like going back to when the album was completely new to you.

Antiyou wrote:You may not be able to scientifically prove that you can hear a difference but it is there and it is the reason I will never pay for an mp3 or own an ipod.


I'd say that if there is a real difference, then it can be scientifically proven. Probably more difficult with vinyl vs CD because vinyl crackles audibly, which is a dead giveaway, but normally you can do a double blind listening test. If you can do better than random guessing, then there's a perceptible difference.

There probably is a pretty big difference between vinyl and CD to be honest though. Vinyl is an analogue format, whereas every sample on a CD is quantised to 16 bits, which has a maximum range of 65535 values (or −32768 to 32767). I wouldn't be surprised if that's in the range of human perception.


Since I'm at work, I'm not going to spend the time looking for the studies. There is a graph that shows what the human ear can pick up sonically. The argument is not about what you can scientifically prove hearing wise, it's what you are lacking by limiting the frequencies. You're not supposed to be able to hear the extra high and low frequencies produced by analogue, thus the cd. However, I can easily tell what is "missing" when I do a cd vs lp comparison. Maybe it is some sort of vibrational perception that reacts to the less limited frequency range in lp's. You can't hear it per se but it is perceptible. Other noticeable differences are the decay on notes or most noticably on cymbals. John Bonham's drums are a night and day difference on a good lp cut vs. any remaster I've ever heard.

Crackle only happens if you are using a cheap needle or are listening to a record in poor condition. I have 60's Japanese Hendrix records that are as clean and noiseless as their CD counterparts... They just sound better.
I have some LP's that were sourced from digital recordings that I still find superior to the CD version. A Perfect Circle's Mer de Noms comes to mind immediately. That LP is light years beyond what the CD version sounded like. NIN's The Fragile is the same scenario. I really can't speak intelligently as to how this is possible but I can assure you, it is a fact. It may have something to do with mastering the 24bit source specifically for LP, I really don't know.
#224531 by AppleQueso
Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:12 am
Just want to point out to the above poster that vinyl (being analog) tends to add a warm character to recordings. This is why vinyl often sounds so much "better" to people. CDs are better in terms of accurate sound reproduction, but they simply don't have that good ol' vinyl sound to them. Just wanting to point that out, it's a matter of preference, not of vinyl being inherently scientifically superior or something.

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