All hail Ziltoid!

#147888 by Noodles
Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:33 pm
Archetype wrote:Anyway, I don't really agree that the drums sound genius. All velocities are at maximum, which made me notice that it were programmed drums from the first note.

Same, they work, but I think a real drummer would have been better =\

#147890 by Jörgg
Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:42 pm
The DKFH just supplies the sounds of the drums. Dev (and whoever else uses the program) must create the MIDI track which will be run through DKFH. This can be done with a program like Guitar Pro or tabIt and most likely heaps of others. In cubase (Dev's DAW of choice), you put in the MIDI track. By itself, MIDI information is not sound, so you have to run it through something to provide the sounds. That's where DKFH comes in, and magic happens. DKFH also provides some different options like different snare sounds and kick sounds, etc.

Just to elaborate a touch, there is a "general MIDI standard" which makes it easier for everything to work together. Basically, instruments have their own number (30 for "distortion guitar" and 00 for drums, I believe. There are lots and lots more), then you get to doing the notes. For drums, each drum/cymbal/percussion-thingy has a number. 35 is a kick drum, 40 is a snare, 52 is a china cymbal, etc. So you can arrange all of these together (one number for each time you want that note/drum/cymbal hit) and then send that information to Cubase, which is where the magic happens. MIDI also has the length of notes built into it, so you don't end up with hundreds of drum hits happening all at once. :P

Whew! I hope that helped a bit. I know it's kinda hard to understand (or not, and I'm just a bit slow), especially for someone who doesn't "need" to know this stuff to get it working.



P.S. I thought that Dev used EZDrummer with the DKFH EZX? I don't know where I read that. It definitely sounds like that EZX's samples. If nobody else knows wtf I'm talking about, then don't worry about it. :lol:

#147893 by Eyesore
Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:26 pm
Can EZDrummer be downloaded? I suck at programming drums. I tried Fruity Loops and wasted my money. Couldn't figure that shit out. Haha. I need something simple as hell.

#147897 by JayjayAbnormal
Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:03 pm
Eyesore wrote:Can EZDrummer be downloaded? I suck at programming drums. I tried Fruity Loops and wasted my money. Couldn't figure that shit out. Haha. I need something simple as hell.


Well, you can use it IN FL Studio if you get the VSTi version

#147901 by Jörgg
Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:57 pm
Eyesore wrote:Can EZDrummer be downloaded? I suck at programming drums. I tried Fruity Loops and wasted my money. Couldn't figure that shit out. Haha. I need something simple as hell.


Depending on what you mean, yes. But it doesn't really make the whole process much simpler, honestly. It adds some nice functionality (some mixing capabilities), but the actual programming doesn't get any easier.

#147913 by Eyesore
Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:38 pm
Bah! I need a real drumkit. Haha.

#147952 by Das Schuetzenfest
Tue May 01, 2007 6:20 am
Archetype wrote:If you listen to Catch 33 or I from Meshuggah, it's the same sampler used (DFHSuperior)

As far as I know, the drumming on "I" was done by Haake himself, not programmed.

#147956 by Biert
Tue May 01, 2007 7:53 am
Das Schuetzenfest wrote:
Archetype wrote:If you listen to Catch 33 or I from Meshuggah, it's the same sampler used (DFHSuperior)

As far as I know, the drumming on "I" was done by Haake himself, not programmed.

Part of it is real life drumming, part is programmed. If I Recall Correctly.

And I kicks Catch 33s ass!!!

#147996 by JayjayAbnormal
Tue May 01, 2007 12:45 pm
Biert wrote:
Das Schuetzenfest wrote:
Archetype wrote:If you listen to Catch 33 or I from Meshuggah, it's the same sampler used (DFHSuperior)

As far as I know, the drumming on "I" was done by Haake himself, not programmed.

Part of it is real life drumming, part is programmed. If I Recall Correctly.

And I kicks Catch 33s ass!!!


Yeah, in the EZDrummer version of DFH, I noticed some drum patterns almost identical as some of the parts on 'I'

#148003 by Das Schuetzenfest
Tue May 01, 2007 1:24 pm
JayjayAbnormal wrote:Yeah, in the EZDrummer version of DFH, I noticed some drum patterns almost identical as some of the parts on 'I'

...which doesn't prove anything. :P

#148025 by JayjayAbnormal
Tue May 01, 2007 5:09 pm
Das Schuetzenfest wrote:
JayjayAbnormal wrote:Yeah, in the EZDrummer version of DFH, I noticed some drum patterns almost identical as some of the parts on 'I'

...which doesn't prove anything. :P


Sort of does :P Haake programmed all the MIDI's/Drum patterns for DFH that come with it.

I'll post a MP3 of the specific pattern I'm talking about along with a snippet of the certain part of 'I' I'm talking about :P

#148031 by Noodles
Tue May 01, 2007 7:06 pm
I've read in an interview that Haake played on I. I don't really care because even on Catch 33 the machine sounds good enough that I would have never thought it was one if I hadn't read it.

#148053 by Dr.Mosh
Wed May 02, 2007 12:30 am
Biert wrote:
Das Schuetzenfest wrote:
Archetype wrote:If you listen to Catch 33 or I from Meshuggah, it's the same sampler used (DFHSuperior)

As far as I know, the drumming on "I" was done by Haake himself, not programmed.

Part of it is real life drumming, part is programmed. If I Recall Correctly.

And I kicks Catch 33s ass!!!


Nah, I was all real drumming.

#148099 by Guitarzan
Wed May 02, 2007 10:40 am
I=real drumming
Catch 33-DKFH, all programmed

#148108 by Opeth
Wed May 02, 2007 12:59 pm
I met Tomas after a show in AZ and we had a long talk and I asked him about "I" and he said all the drums are real on that song. He also mentioned how people will think "I" is programmed and that Catch 33 has real drums. Which of course is the opposite way around.

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