Say whatever you want about Metallica being lazy old arrogant sellout cash pigs, but they are one of the most influential metal bands ever. They got me into metal and I think that goes for a lot of people.

Motley Crue (Shout at the Devil) and Twisted Sister (Stay Hungry) got ME into metal. ;D

I was a Metallica fan for a long time, til Load came out. Then I just wanted to cry.

Devin Townsend as producer would probably be the only thing that could convince me to buy another Metallica album. Metallica were the band that got me into metal, and were my favourite band for a long time, but the quality of their output has nosedived in the last 10 years. They should just give it up in my opinion. It's like seeing a great artist being slowly destroyed by alzheimers. Best that they stop now, before they dig an even bigger hole.

I have to say though, some of the arguments of people that defend Metallica's later albums, piss me off.

Firstly, being one of the most influential bands in metal, doesn't magically make their newer albums good. This argument gets even weaker when you consider the fact that their later albums aren't particularly influential.

Secondly, just because a lot of us don't like their later output, doesn't mean that we want them to just keep the same sound, or stay constantly stuck in the 80s. There is nothing wrong with change, if it's a natural change, and the new music is good.

Not to mention the fact that the type of person that wants a band to sound the same all the way through their career, probably isn't a fan of Devin Townsend, and wouldn't be posting on this board. You can hardly say that Devin has kept the same sound through all his work, especially when you consider Project EKO and Devlab.

In my book, Metallica are in it more for the money than the music nowadays. Even if they weren't, I think they've run out of ideas anyway. Just look at "Some kind of monster" for evidence of this.

i think the next album will be at least decent with rob, apparently rob told them that they should stick to their old stuff on the rolling stones concerts and they did

i think the next album will be at least decent with rob, apparently rob told them that they should stick to their old stuff on the rolling stones concerts and they did

Okay, this is getting more and more off topic now, but wtf...

Yesterday I saw the playlists of their two shows with the Stones, and they didn't play one single song from St. Anger. And, of course, now the guessing starts if this can be seen as a sign that their next album will be different from St. Anger or might even go back to some of their classic stuff from the 80s. Well... Except for Metallica themselves: no one knows. But even those who now dislike them, still seem to care enough to discuss it

i think the next album will be at least decent with rob, apparently rob told them that they should stick to their old stuff on the rolling stones concerts and they did

Okay, this is getting more and more off topic now, but wtf...

Yesterday I saw the playlists of their two shows with the Stones, and they didn't play one single song from St. Anger. And, of course, now the guessing starts if this can be seen as a sign that their next album will be different from St. Anger or might even go back to some of their classic stuff from the 80s. Well... Except for Metallica themselves: no one knows. But even those who now dislike them, still seem to care enough to discuss it

Before they recorded their latest album, they never played a single song from St. Anger. YET... they did a whole album full of them!

OK That was lame. But you really can't say anything about the next album yet. About St. Anger they were saying it would be complex as ... And Justive For All, and thrashy as Kill 'em all. But it turned out crap.
About the new album, I think they've said it would be more Black albumy. We'll see what it turns out to be. It'll probably sell anyway since it says METALLICA on it.

Biert, that was so unfunny that it actually made me smile

But you really can't say anything about the next album yet.

That's what I mean - the guessing starts nonetheless. And for the sales... Yeah, I think they even could record an album full of sound clips featuring James Hetfield throwing up, it would still sell like hell.

Biert, that was so unfunny that it actually made me smile

All my jokes tend to be of that kind. Get used to it.

As the smiley indicated, I AM used to such jokes. Each day I have to spend 24 hours with a guy who keeps on talking such crap without even taking a pause to breathe in

As the smiley indicated, I AM used to such jokes. Each day I have to spend 24 hours with a guy who keeps on talking such crap without even taking a pause to breathe in

You live with my brother?

I'm german, that's all.

What was this thread all about?

I'm german, that's all.

What was this thread all about?

The bad joke named Metallica...

As much as i hate to say it, i feel Bob Rock is definately to blame (at least partially) for helping bring the downfall of Metallica. After all, after hearing what he did to Skid Row, i wanted to cry

When a band goes downhill, gets a lot of flack for it, and then claim that their next album will sound like their older material, it's almost always complete bullshit.

The sad thing is though, there were moments of brilliance in 'St. Anger', which is why it was such an unsatisfying experience. There are moments in that record that had me grinning ear to ear, thinking 'Yes! They're back!', quickly followed by the sense that they were dragging things out for too long, which would quickly nosedive into boredom. Then the next song would start, and the process would start all over again.

That was that album's failing, I think: they tried to recapture their old skill of writing long, complex metal epics that could enthrall at every turn by using the Pro Tools 'mix n' match' method. The result: a collection of miscellaneous riffs dressed up as long, complex and enthralling metal epics that were, in truth, just long. It was as if they had lost confidence in their own songwriting skills and let the computers run the show.

So, going back to the topic, I think that, for me, the appeal of Dev producing them would be the possibility that he'd be a good influence on them creatively: being the modern master of the metal epic, he could encourage them to trust their own creativity and return to an organic style of songwriting. That, and forcing Lars to put away his pot & pan collection

That is, as others have pointed out, assuming they'd let him do that. Oh well: it's fun to dream, huh?

As much as i hate to say it, i feel Bob Rock is definately to blame (at least partially) for helping bring the downfall of Metallica.

Maybe, but if it hadn't been for him they would probably not be around anymore. Even though I don't like St anger I'm still curious about the next album.