Woah! Good lord, it's a cheeseburger!!!
#256813 by Jaglavak
Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:35 am
Negoba wrote:It's interesting but that one line is the crux of the entire album "you want crazy, I'll show you crazy." It gets quoted in reviews as being feeling forced. I think if any singer in the world can pull that line off, it was Devy at that point in his life. It's doesn't feel forced, but he's quite clearly said, it was. He had to do things to himself to make that happen.

As an expression of raw mental pain exploding outward, Alien is IMO even better than City. It is crazier. I was listening to it alot lately, and though I think it's brilliant I started to even think to myself "What is it doing to me to listen to this so much." When "Shitstorm" is the song running on autoplay in your head, it's going to color your life. If I as a listener feel a need to take a break from it, I certainly feel for the artist who had to live it.

"There is an element of Deconstruction that is proggy and nerdy in a way that syl never was. This is my true nature shining through this form of music. I had hidden that while doing syl for fear that it wouldn't be accepted. Therefore, there will be a faction of listeners that will find this record (deconstruction) oddly bland and possibly really boring."

This section makes me very happy. I can almost guarantee this listener will not find it bland or boring, but I'm a prog junkie too.


Thank you! That's what I've been trying to say, but since I suck at wording my posts, I hadn't been able to yet. :P I completely agree that Alien is an absolutely ridiculous, frenzied, paranoid monster of an album; Imperial through We Ride has to be one of the most intense 26 minutes of musical perfection ever recorded. It's just the fact that I always think to myself, while listening to the music, that Dev had to push himself in many ways (some negative) to get BACK to that 'plateau' of sorts... and that's a bit disconcerting to me, I guess. That's when I start to ask myself 'If he was making the music HE wanted to make, at the time, and nothing else was a factor but his own creative drive... would we have gotten Alien, or would Strapping have been dead and buried long before then?' And, yeah, I know a lot of people quote that line in Shitstorm (me being one of them); but I agree with you that, if there's one person in the world who could pull it off, it's Devin. I'll let it go, now, cause' I think I've made my point over enough paragraphs, haha.

And, for the record, I don't see how Deconstruction's apparent 'nerdy and proggy' qualities would make it bland or boring for anyone! I mean, maybe if you're one of those uncompromising Strapping fans that's still in denial that Devin disbanded the group, and that he didn't include GENE THE MACHINE on his latest metal project, but... to me, bringing in new people and new musical elements just makes the album more colorful and diverse, rather than making me go 'That just makes it less METUL!' Obviously, no disrespect to Gene (incredible drummer and a REALLY nice guy), and not trying to poke fun at anyone who feels that way... I just see a lot of people on Youtube and stuff make comments like that (again, wanting more of Strapping's hateful breed of music) and it's beyond me how Devin can so patiently say, every single time, 'sorry guys, Strapping's dead.' I totally understand why he didn't work with Gene on Decon (because that mean be SYL REUNION! to a lot of people, when that's not the case) and quite frankly, I'm glad he didn't. Love the man, love his work, but Decon is like starting on a fresh slate - it's not meant to be Strapping; so why bring half the band in to make the album?

...and, as far as my opinion's concerned, the Deconstrupdates have me convinced that Ryan and Dirk have it covered. So, as I said before; bring on Decon, in whatever form it may come in. I agree with you; I enjoy my fair share of prog too - old and new - so the thought of the album having those elements just makes me MORE excited, as a listener to many different kinds of music, rather than less. :D
#256838 by mrbean667
Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:04 pm
Fuck yeah! 74 minutes of pure intensity!
#256893 by daneulephus
Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:12 am
Sorry Dev, I have a funny feeling when Deconstruction is over I will want to push repeat a few hundred times...judging from the clips. I never thought I would hear you with access to a full orchestra, and with your love for Wagner and Stravinsky...I can only imagine how you took advantage of that. Can't wait.
#256894 by Das Schuetzenfest
Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:30 am
Sick drumming on the new video on sickdrummer.com! And GREAT keyboard playing by Dev. Kinda like the awesome church organ part on Fredrik Thordendal's album Sol Niger Within. :D

Two new albums with 74 minutes playing time each - oh man, what a treat!
Grueling...
#256896 by Jaglavak
Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:53 am
Das Schuetzenfest wrote:Sick drumming on the new video on sickdrummer.com! And GREAT keyboard playing by Dev. Kinda like the awesome church organ part on Fredrik Thordendal's album Sol Niger Within. :D

Two new albums with 74 minutes playing time each - oh man, what a treat!
Grueling...


Found the video you were talking about; cool stuff! It confirms, finally, that the very first metal track in the second Deconstrupdate IS Pandemic... and that the section of music from the first Deconstrupdate (where Ryan and Dev are watching Dirk play) is also from the same song. There was some other stuff in the video too; tracks that I don't think made the album (Mad At My Dad, The Punisher?)... or got renamed, one of the two. Either way, stuff sounds incredible!
#256897 by The Dev
Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:18 am
The punisher is what we called 'the infinite waltz' during the sessions...irony, right?

And access to a symphony yes, but for such a frantic, limited time it basically serves as a 'demo' for the future, hopefully someone with a boatload of money decides to finance something like this done the 'right way'.

And yeah, I love Stravinsky, Wagner, Zappa ...all that stuff, and by NO MEANS do I put myself in their category. They are 'composers' who know what they are doing theoretically, I consider myself more of an emotional dude who engages in high levels of jack-assery and is not afraid to fail. :)

...just as Ghost's concept included flute, Decon. included symphonic elements.

yaw!!
#256898 by daneulephus
Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:31 am
The Dev wrote:The punisher is what we called 'the infinite waltz' during the sessions...irony, right?

And access to a symphony yes, but for such a frantic, limited time it basically serves as a 'demo' for the future, hopefully someone with a boatload of money decides to finance something like this done the 'right way'.

And yeah, I love Stravinsky, Wagner, Zappa ...all that stuff, and by NO MEANS do I put myself in their category. They are 'composers' who know what they are doing theoretically, I consider myself more of an emotional dude who engages in high levels of jack-assery and is not afraid to fail. :)

...just as Ghost's concept included flute, Decon. included symphonic elements.

yaw!!


Yeah, but you DESERVE it! You've worked hard, regardless of the level of jack-assery. And matter of fact...the more jack-assery the better. I'd rather hear raw emotion tbh.
#256899 by Octillus
Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:40 am
Jack-assery is vastly superior to douchebaggery and wankery. :P
#256902 by Malikarcanum
Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:25 am
The Dev wrote:The punisher is what we called 'the infinite waltz' during the sessions...irony, right?

And access to a symphony yes, but for such a frantic, limited time it basically serves as a 'demo' for the future, hopefully someone with a boatload of money decides to finance something like this done the 'right way'.

And yeah, I love Stravinsky, Wagner, Zappa ...all that stuff, and by NO MEANS do I put myself in their category. They are 'composers' who know what they are doing theoretically, I consider myself more of an emotional dude who engages in high levels of jack-assery and is not afraid to fail. :)

...just as Ghost's concept included flute, Decon. included symphonic elements.

yaw!!



Hey Dev, I've been getting into all kinds of new music lately, & as I got deeper & deeper, & kept hearing better & better things about Zappa.

So I decided to finally look him up, & my mind was completely overwhelmed when I saw that he had over 60 records to his name. :shock:

Do you have any recommendations as to where to start in on this massive block of music? From what I've heard about him, seem he pretty much made just about every style of music there is, & I like just about everything, so any recommendations are welcome.
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#256903 by Jaglavak
Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:27 am
The Dev wrote:The punisher is what we called 'the infinite waltz' during the sessions...irony, right?

And access to a symphony yes, but for such a frantic, limited time it basically serves as a 'demo' for the future, hopefully someone with a boatload of money decides to finance something like this done the 'right way'.

And yeah, I love Stravinsky, Wagner, Zappa ...all that stuff, and by NO MEANS do I put myself in their category. They are 'composers' who know what they are doing theoretically, I consider myself more of an emotional dude who engages in high levels of jack-assery and is not afraid to fail. :)

...just as Ghost's concept included flute, Decon. included symphonic elements.

yaw!!


If all of Deconstruction's symphonic elements are only considered to be 'demos' for the future... I can't even IMAGINE what the future must sound like! The chunks of Decon's orchestra I've heard so far sound beautiful, yet visceral; all of it coming across as well thought out and very well composed. I think that, considering you only had one day to record 80 minutes worth of material, it turned out perfectly! I'm sure I'll be saying the same thing come June, too.

And, I'm with everyone else here; I don't think you're engaging in jack-assery at all... you're doing whatever you please with the music you want to make, and that's how it SHOULD be. Nothing pretentious about having an idea and following through with it... regardless of how ridiculous and over-the-top the scope of it may seem, to people who don't 'get' it. Thankfully, I consider myself someone who 'gets' what you're doing, so we're all good here... :D

Edit: Malikarcanum, I'm not Dev, but I am a Zappa fan, so hopefully you don't mind me giving you my two cents. :P Sheik Yerbouti, Joe's Garage or Apostrophe are all good places to start; they all give you a fairly good idea of the kind of music he made. All three are equally as good, IMO, so I'd say just pick one and go from there.

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