Woah! Good lord, it's a cheeseburger!!!
#258342 by Lettuce
Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:15 pm
ppinkham wrote:
Lettuce wrote:It kinda is though. I once got chased by a tramp in Brixton wanting to "suckle my titty" D:


So wait...did you let him?


No way man, I was only 16 at the time.
#258347 by YouFoolWarrenIsDEAD
Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:15 pm
The Dev wrote:Actually...this has made me think.

The story in Deconstruction is that the 'character' needs to face his fears (it was a dream several years back) and so he goes to 'hell'

There, he meets the 'devil' and realizes that the devil is actually himself.

He decides to move past that, and wants to meet 'god', and to do that, he goes through all manner of chaos and intellectual bullshit until he is presented (by angels, just to be cheeky) the 'face of god' ...and it ends up being a cheeseburger...

the point is that everything is in everything, the cheeseburger is a metaphor for god, god is a metaphor for the unknown, and the ultimate point is that there is nothing but reality... there are no secrets, or illusions.

No god, no devil, just the infinite. But the character needs to solve this for himself. In a way, it's a forced exorcism.

And the next album is called 'Ghost' as almost a shadow of that quest.

The character (right...character) comes to the conclusion at the end of the 4 records that he knows no more than when he started. And that ultimately, at this stage of human development he is too primitive to understand any of the concepts anyways...but no worse for the journey.

So there are no answers, but less questions if that makes any sense.

The theme of god has been through all my work because I can't think of a better word for the concept (infinity?) either way, it's just ruminating, (and never capitalized.)



Hmm, sounds like a mix of Dante's Divine Comedy with the epistemological structure of Ziltoid. It also seems to have allusions to the "death and rebirth" cycles found in major religions such as the flood from the Abrahamic religions and Ragnarok from Norse mythology. The idea of cycles, of learning and enlightenment is also very Buddhist.

Sounds cool.

Now I want a hamburger for dinner.
#258353 by Scherz
Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:06 am
Everyone else catch the lyrical reference to Numbered in The Mighty Masturbator? The exact same part of it that the orchestra was playing at the beginning of Deconstrupdate 2. Stoked.
#258354 by JuZ
Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:37 am
The Dev wrote:I'm not Christian.

god as a metaphor

no real point to the album, Ghost is the follow up.

:)


Wait, so god didn't actually fail as a metaphor? :D

Interesting though... as some of us move away from traditional religious thought we find the need to come up with a new vocabulary to express these concepts. Traditional religious thought wraps up any ponderances in a nice, warm glowing ball of doctrine and the language follows suit. Take that away and we need to find new ways of expressing ourselves when it comes to the more abstract concepts of existence like life, meaning, and the concepts of time, space and the infinite.

Hmmm... maybe cheeseburger is as good as anything else. Douglas Adams came up with the number 42.

42 cheesburgers for dinner anyone?
#258355 by djskrimp
Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:59 am
JuZ wrote:
The Dev wrote:I'm not Christian.

god as a metaphor

no real point to the album, Ghost is the follow up.

:)


Wait, so god didn't actually fail as a metaphor? :D

Interesting though... as some of us move away from traditional religious thought we find the need to come up with a new vocabulary to express these concepts. Traditional religious thought wraps up any ponderances in a nice, warm glowing ball of doctrine and the language follows suit. Take that away and we need to find new ways of expressing ourselves when it comes to the more abstract concepts of existence like life, meaning, and the concepts of time, space and the infinite.

Hmmm... maybe cheeseburger is as good as anything else. Douglas Adams came up with the number 42.

42 cheesburgers for dinner anyone?


Kobayashi approves.
#258359 by mEh!
Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:22 am
YouFoolWarrenIsDEAD wrote:
Hmm, sounds like a mix of Dante's Divine Comedy with the epistemological structure of Ziltoid.


exactly what i thought :)
#258367 by catharsis
Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:43 am
The Dev wrote:So there are no answers, but less questions if that makes any sense.


that makes perfect sense to me. don't know what to make of the rest of the concept... i think it's a great way to look at the whole God/religion thing. i don't completely agree, but i don't disagree.


and i just made the connection that the last song is called poltergeist and it leads into Ghost. i like that.
#258368 by The Dev
Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:45 am
Again... I don't even know if I agree. For real.

I'm just bashing through my process and hoping something somewhere fits.

:)
#258369 by catharsis
Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:00 am
i often find myself switching between believing in God to questioning his existence to blaming him to being pissed off at him to trying to understand him to loving him... it's an easy out for when things go wrong or for a safety net, sometimes i thank him for when things go well, sometimes not.

the biggest thing i guess is whether or not he/she/it/something exists or not. i can really relate to the fact that after all these questions and searching, we're not any closer to finding the truth. i truly believe that there is SOMETHING - whether it be Christian God, or just some force around us all that is outside our comprehension and we just have to try and accept that there are things outside of our control and to live life to the best of our ability.

when people blame God for bad things in the world, i always wonder why people never blame Satan (including myself). Just a thought.
#258370 by The Dev
Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:14 am
As obsessed as these lyrics make me seem...I actually don't spend much time thinking about it.

I like it as an artistic pursuit, it's an old theme that resonates...divine comedy, Lord of the rings, star wars type stuff.

I've got too much to do for the most part, so again, I spend more time trying to be a decent person, but still...it's all perspective.
#258378 by PUNCHLINE
Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:50 am
The Dev wrote:but still...it's all perspective.


"Too much f*cking perspective" :-D

So are you more of a "stream of consciousness" type guy when it comes to lyrics or does everything have a meaning, literally or otherwise? Not that that question makes much sense, but still...
Im asking as a) you always get credit for the music, the guitar, the voice, production etc but I always find some great lyrics in your stuff, and b) Im writing songs but always have a mental block when it comes to lyrics!

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