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#188612 by gendralman
Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:08 am
Hey everyone.

Since there's a lot of buzz about this street-team business, I'd like to throw out an idea that could be pretty productive and entertaining.

I spent a few weeks last year working on Devin Townsend's Wikipedia article. I improved it a whole lot but there's still a lot of work to be done. I know a lot of members here have worked on it too, and it's got a lot of potential. So I'd like to propose a semi-organized effort by everyone here to edit this article to brilliance. The goal is a tangible and exciting one: To get this article featured on the front page of Wikipedia in 2009. I think it's completely achievable and would be a great place to put our energy. The front page of Wikipedia gets something on the order of 7 million hits a day, so if we want to get Devin's name out there, this is the way to go.

The nice thing about Wikipedia is if everyone puts a tiny bit of effort in, it builds up fast. The bad thing is there's a lot of bureaucracy and method to getting an article featured. (Also, once an article achieves featured-article status, it takes a few months or even a year to actually end up on the front page.) But it's a challenge, and it's doable. The cool thing is SYL is already a featured article and will hopefully hit the front page soon, so that's a good motivator.

If people are up for it, I invite everyone to take a look and what they can do to contribute to the article. We really want to focus on the historical stuff more than the current work, because that's where the bulk of the article is and where the most holes are. The big rule is to have a source for everything, and don't add anything that can't be sourced (even if it seems obvious). That's the biggest criterion for a featured article. What this article really needs is more good sources, especially music magazines. The less internet-based material, the better. If anyone can find good magazine sources, obscure interviews, etc., that we can cite, it would be a huge help. Look at how it's been done in the article for some examples. I went through a lot of what's on the HDR site, and there's a lot of ground left to cover.

Posts by Devin on this board can be used as sources, but should be used as little as possible. Articles with a lot of primary-source material look amateur, and there's no need for it if we do our homework. There are plenty of interviews we can get material from. Obviously we don't have a lot of external coverage for the upcoming albums, so that's the exception.

The individual album articles all need a lot of work too, and working on those can be worthwhile too.

Anyway, just throwing this out there. I know this kind of thing doesn't appeal to everyone (really any sane person would be turned off by this!), so if no one cares that's fine. But I thought I'd draw some attention in that direction.

Peace.
#188614 by hog
Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:11 am
A very good idea IMHO.

Certainly Devin updated his Myspace with a lot more details regarding the musicians he is using for the up and coming albums. I'm sure this gives more of an insight to what Devin is doing for 2009. This info could also be added to Wiki..
#188619 by Leechmaster
Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:36 am
See this is the kinda shit we need to be doing. Fantastic idea! I'll help out as best I can..
#188624 by Lolliklauer
Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:23 am
A very good idea indeed. Thanks for the advice, i didn't know that primary sources weren't as good as secondary, but now it makes sense to me.

I would like to repeat this request for the article in german language, too (maybe not with the goal to have it featured on the front page, but to improve it). It seems that very few persons look after it. I changed it recently and added some of the new stuff, but at the moment i don't have the time to spend "weeks" on it. But i will do what i can to improve it and will take a look at my magazines to search for better sources (maybe some of them are useful for the english version, too). Yesterday i found a fan-group in a social network which had cited "my" wikipedia-article about those big news about Devin being "back" which was quite motivating and showed that Wikipedia is a good way to spread the word!
#188696 by Aden
Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:29 pm
Some things i'd like to say about the page at the moment:

In the Discography boxes bit... shouldn't "Deconstruction" be the full title instead... to avoid confusion?

And at the bottom, why is DoaC in the EP section in the popout discography thingy... i thought all 4 albums were full length?

(I could be wrong obviously... maybe i missed a Dev post)
#188705 by soundsofentropy
Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:25 pm
Aden wrote:Some things i'd like to say about the page at the moment:

In the Discography boxes bit... shouldn't "Deconstruction" be the full title instead... to avoid confusion?

And at the bottom, why is DoaC in the EP section in the popout discography thingy... i thought all 4 albums were full length?

(I could be wrong obviously... maybe i missed a Dev post)


Originally, Dev announced DoaC as an EP. Now that it's been promoted to LP status, we might as well call it Deconstruction (since it seems that's how it's referred to) and give it an album page/status.
#188708 by Nathan_lol
Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:44 pm
If Meshuggah and Opeth have been articles of the day for Wikipedia, surely Devin Townsend can be too! We need a better, more recent pic of him for that page, he looks weird on the one there is now.
#188712 by ratiuglink
Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:58 pm
Our best bet is probably to consider the current article as a rough draft, to sketch out the logical progression of a new version, and then to rewrite the entire article--not that I have anything against the old article. We could keep entire sections of it, if we so desire, but in my experience it pays off to write multiple drafts.

I am not familiar with the rules of Wikipedia, nor do I have any plans to become familiar with them, but I would be willing to act as editor for such an article, making sure that the article is appropriately encyclopedic in tone. You would be surprised to know how much time I have wasted typing this dinky little post, making it say exactly what I want it to say. At least in practice, the grammatical and syntactical standards to which I hold formal writing are higher than those necessary to qualify an article for Wikipedia's featured article series.
#188752 by Liquid
Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:58 pm
Good work so far!

However, the Ki page has issues. They still include the quote "hugely complicated, dynamic metal 'symphony' thing...mainly instrumental," which I thought was actually said concerning Deconstruction? It just hasn't been updated in a while. Somehow, I find myself so computerly illiterate that I can't even edit wikipedia... Hm. Anyone ready to do that? Do we have an official release date or artwork yet?
#188753 by soundsofentropy
Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:05 pm
Nathan_lol wrote:If Meshuggah and Opeth have been articles of the day for Wikipedia, surely Devin Townsend can be too! We need a better, more recent pic of him for that page, he looks weird on the one there is now.


How about the one from the myspace? It looks pretty promotional.

And ratiuglink, what's up? I didn't know you were on these forums! Anyway, Wiki is sort of edit-as-you-go, so I imagine that imperfections will be uploaded relatively frequently, and they'll just have to be edited to match typical encyclopedic formality.

Oh, and Liquid, good point--that quote is aged and unrelated. I'm a little busy at the moment, though, so I can't edit it (not that I'm the only one who could).
#188763 by ratiuglink
Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:55 pm
soundsofentropy wrote:And ratiuglink, what's up? I didn't know you were on these forums! Anyway, Wiki is sort of edit-as-you-go, so I imagine that imperfections will be uploaded relatively frequently, and they'll just have to be edited to match typical encyclopedic formality.


I joined the Facebook group soon after noticing that you had, one thing led to another, and, well . . .

As far as Wiki is concerned, I have pretty serious ADD. If I'm focused on something, I lose all sense of perspective, wasting hours on minute details. I think I'll be of more use (to myself) if I wait to see which paragraphs, sections, etc., have been revamped and are ready for editing, before I edit them.

Speaking of loss of perspective, my last post was pretty fucking pretentious. "Nice to meet all of you! I'm, well, first of all, I'm great. The name's Dick." I was on Adderall at the time--I'd like to think that had something to do with it.
#188772 by entvå3
Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:49 am
When I have some time over I'm gonna take the time and translate it all into swedish and add to the swedish page.
It's really lacking alot.
#188776 by Blazingmonga
Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:48 am
Great ideas everyone, this is a really great project. I had never even thought of the possibility of trying for a featured article on the main page. It might take a while to get it up there, but I am sure it can be done. I imagine though that there is a lot of competition for that place.

Like Nathan says though, if Meshuggah and Opeth can do it, so can we!
#193798 by Lolliklauer
Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:07 pm
Over the last weeks i spent some evenings and three quality days on re-writing the german wikipedia-article. Uploaded it a few minutes ago. Any improvements are most welcome.
#193810 by pigdavis
Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:05 pm
This sounds like a good idea! but.....

I gots questions.

I just took a look at what makes an article eligible to be featured. I don't think it will be very hard to meet the criteria, but how to maintain the article until its reviewed?

I don't quite understand how this all works..

I didnt have the attention span to read all the rules and such...Is it like the article is locked once it been submitted? I read that the reviewers make suggestions on how to improve the article if its not quite up to par without removing its "candidate for featured" status. So in the time that its given for improvements how does one regulate what goes in and out of the article during this inbetween phase? Is like completely open to anyone like usual? Or is it not up to us at all and in the hands of the reviewers...


Somebody already addressed this but.... Wikipedia is Wikipedia, anybody can change add or remove information from any article they choose. So once all the correct info and sources are compiled who will organize them into a smooth articles.
How are people going to look though, edit, and generally maintain it, every other day to see if any not so good changes have been made? Or is one person alone gonna keep track of that.(seems easier)

Do enough people even look at Dev's articles for that to be an issue?
Gendralman mentioned that the most important rule to stick to having legitimate sources. So is it as simple as writing a semi-soild article with all our sources backed up then its cool..... even if its been stitched together by alot of different people?


WTF they say its got one in 1,130 chance of making the featured page.....
Sorry for the unorganized rant....i didnt state my questions so clearly. a little embarrassed now. :oops:

But if someone could explain the process to me please?
And if this is gonna happen will somebody please spell it out simply and thoroughly?
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