Devlab scared me when i was stoned

My friend had ecstasy so I made him listen to Terria, it fucked with him!

I smoke weed quite a lot and I have to say, contrary to what a lot of board memebers have said its actually done a lot of good for me. It only really becomes a problem if all I do is smoke... but its not all I do.

I don't drink because IMO that's WAY worse.

Alcohol is a drug, coffee is a drug, chocolate could even be classed as a drug.

Weed has too many stigmas attached to it and its sad because the only reason why it was banned was for monetary gain (through the pharmaceutical industries, chemical industries and cotton trade). Its quite sad because even hemp on its own is a very useful resource, far better than cotton.

the term 'drug' is a media-government construct, like there's people in this forum calling pot a drug and not alcohol. Alcohol is more of a drug then the dankest skunk ppl.
alcohol is the worst shit out there and it doesnt make you do anything better than u would sober, except maybe make a fool out of yerself...
pot on the other hand... IMO the Dev CLEARLY blazes, his soundscapes are just too much on a stoner's level.. And all his talk about form and sound and layers REALLY makes me think of some lucid-ass tripping
but yea, im preaching the cause here: POT IS HARMLESS, unless you suck at life in which case anything and everything destroys you.
As for mushrooms, they should be mandatory, not illegal.

use, don't abuse and u should be fine

I've listened to Devin while high before, but nothing more than that, especially since I really don't do much more than weed anymore, and I really prefer to stay with more "natural" drugs if I do anything. Anyway, yeah, I really loved hearing Infinity while high, that was probably my favorite one, because when I'm high little things I may have never noticed before become almost relentless while I listen to the music, and it really almost makes it, to me, like a completely different experience but with the same great music. Something very fun and interesting to do if you already do drugs, but if you don't already use any drugs, don't start, because it's very easy to hurt yourself with them. If you want an example, you can PM me, but I don't feel like sharing them with the whole board. Just don't start if you haven't started yet.

POT IS HARMLESS

I'm a big advocate for weed but just like everything else (and you did touch upon this) everything in moderation is ok. Weed can be bad though. Particularly with hydro and kids who start smoking at a young age (17 is the earliest age you should smoke). If you smoke while you're still developing mentally it can trigger scitzophrenia and other mental issues apparently. However, I think there's plenty of other shit that's making us crazy...

What about TV? The drug of the nation. It feeds us fear as well as emotional supplements. People are content, waking up, slamming some coffee (DRUGS!!!!!), going to work, coming home, throwing the telly on, going to bed REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT DEATH!!!!

I'm not saying everyone does that but the vast majority do. And why should we give 8 hours a day to work when in a lot of cases we spend about 2 hours in our own time getting to and from work? Its not fair.

"Drugs" particularly acid made me look at EVERYTHING differently. I've only done it twice too. It somehow showed me everything from a different perspective and honestly, since then I've learnt a lot.

Everything is addictive, but its our own choice that determines our destiny.

wow, a lot of straight edgers, im really surprised.

Im a big fan of listening to dev while under the influence, and it brings new depths to the music. imo its the best music to listen to while under the influence.

Everyone to their own really.

I have no problem with a bit o weed to take the edge of a hard day. I don't like it all the time and to help im a control freek when it comes to taking any drug, especially weed. I won't mix it with alcohol, if ive had too much to drink then i wont smoke.

There are safe limits to the use of weed, if you follow them then it will be a hell of a lot better.

Im really with mo on this one. Be sensible.

I get a bit cut when people start going off on their "drugs suck" rants.... Maybe drugs suck for you, but that is by no means a be all and end all fact.

As others have mentioned, drugs have done some fantastic things for me, and I would definitely consider myself of sound mind and capabilities. The only major thing that I know they affect me with is the health thing, but thus far I have not seen any major side effects and fuck, we all fuckin die, don't we? So maybe I'll die before you, but then again maybe that just means I won't have to experience being a useless fuckin vegetable whose body is falling apart due to old age.

Don't get me wrong - if someone has enough mental capacity to come to the same realisations as I've had on drugs without them, then by all means, go for it. I would definitely not recommend that people take drugs if they don't want to. But for those people who are interested in looking at life from a different perspective, then fuck, I'd totally recommend some drug taking!

The thing is, you have to be cautious, and you have to have limits set in your own mind as to what you will and will not do. I personally am a huge fan of psychedelics, but I woudl DEFINITELY not recommend them to everyone. One has to have a very fuckin sound mind in order to cope with that shit. I take LSD, mushrooms, weed, and I have had ecstacy once and quite enjoyed it, but that is pretty much the extent of it. I am not interested in putting dirty chemicals in my system and I'm very choosey even when it comes to the drugs that I will take.

Either way, I am no addict. I am currently in the midst of an abstinence from smoking weed, which I am dealing with perfectly well. I have no cravings or side effects form this.... I in fact get FAR worse cravings from quitting coffee!!! That shit makes my head go fucking whack.... Gets me more paranoid and sickly than any drug has ever done to me.

So I think it's a personal thing and that when anything is abused it will suck, but the lessons for life that I have learnt from drugs, especially LSD and mushrooms, have been absolutely fucking vital to who I am. I would be an immature little prick if I hadn't tripped as much as I have... It allowe dme to look at myself, my behaviour and the wya I live my life from a completely different angle, which I desperately needed. I'm still far from perfect, but I am a much better person because of those experiences.

yay drug convos...
just wanted to add to what greg reason said, psychedelics if done correctly could and probably will be one of the best experiences of your life, and i can testify honestly that psychedelics have in fact bettered my life.... the places my mind's been..
If you don't do'em right, you could experience the most crushing catatonic despair ever, and even then there is something to learn..
Oh yes, and as Bill Hicks said, if you think drugs are bad then burn all your cds and music because all those great musicians, real fucking high on drugs. You don't need drugs to create or create well, that's for sure, but a lot of creative stuff is understood better under the influence for more reasons than i care to explain.
The Devin Townsend band has some pretty chronic grooves, that doesnt undermine Dev's genius or creativity in any way...

i also hate it when people start saying:
'drugs suck, people who do drugs suck'

I agree drugs suck for some people, I have met a few better off without..

I hate getting lectures from people who drink all the time, cause i smoke cones. It's easy for people when their drug of choice is legal...

how about respecting our decision to do it, just as we respect your decision not to.

[EphelDuath666]

well, I don´t say that people who use drugs suck and no one here did either. Just not my thing. I´d say 50% of my friends smoke weed and throw in some shrooms sometimes and that´s fine for me, it´s their life and not mine. I also had a couple of friends that turned into complete assholes because of weed and I don´t call them friends anymore which is sad because they used to be great friends. Yeah, it probably always depends on the amount you smoke. I just, for my part, learned to appreciate a state of clarity in my head over the past 2 years.

Drugs, for myself, would be even once tried a death sentence. Reason is all physical, with metabolism fucked up as mine there's no chance to make it alive after one weed smoked. Alcohol also does mess things up, though I can have it when not drinking often and too much - and precise I go high from much less than others.

I think getting high is something worth experiencing - how, that's personal, almost intimate. When consciousness and feelings are in certain, very sensitive state - which also, once again, is personal where it is and how it can be reached - meeting each other in a perfect, undescribeable way, anything experienced then is very deeply touching. Some may learn life-lasting precious things from themselves, some feel very negative, some maybe just reach that state of mind for relaxation, or for escape.

I don't need anything else but a day when I'm enough good condition with my sickness that I can go to my set and play. I let it come through me, just drum the big shit out of me and I'm there, high. Then playing along with a great song is awesome - e.g. Namaste played that way with walkman shouting out the music to my ears...experience that touches my deepest emotions.

Life itself can be used in so many ways, so can be drugs. As many ways as there is for telling what actually are drugs and how/why they can be used wisely, there's ways to tell what's life and how/why do you live it.

Actually living, with such great music as Dev's is, is enough for me. I'm satisfied; if there's lots of others who have found Dev as a great artist, his music as entertaining, comforting, annoying, delighting (continue as far as wanted) - I'm glad to know you. Using drugs or not, being any kind of an asshole or not. Let's keep going on, with our own ways to touch that something deeper.

you know I did mushrroms and fell into one of those catatonic despairs you were talkin about. That was a big learning experiance, because I certainly knew my limits afterwards. Psychadelics can be amazing though when in the right mood and setting. I did them one more time after that while camping and it made me feel better about who I was than I ever had before or after.

I might do them again one day, I just need to be in the right mood and place to set it off

[The Dev]

I smoke a bit of pot (at night...not before driving)

I like red wine at the moment (1 glass at night sometimes)

I like Black coffee

Be careful with drugs...any drug.