Its not worth making a daily habit of (it gets quite expensive), but it is worth doing occasionally. It is enjoyable, and is a great way of finding something fun to do, and to lighten the moment.

I most certainly agree with you there!

If I have any...it's like once every few months. I haven't had any in a LONG time....I think it's been over a year.

well, in my city, when you buy pot, you're helping a drug dealer raise funds for weapons that kill innocent people.

So yeah, yay for pot indeed.

Yeah but my dealer grows his own.

and then decapitates cute, furry little animals

Not all people involved with drugs are bad people. Its just a stereotype. (I dont sell drugs, nor do I ever plan on it, just talking about people I know).

i know dude, it was a joke...
i would say anyone that sells more than weed is a bad person though, weeds harmless compared to other drugs

Hey I live in The Netherlands and never touched pot, nor any other drug! I must be about the only one!

I don't think pot is 'bad' actually, I don't concider it a drug but more in the class of alcohol, caffeine and tobacco.

I bet coffee is more addictive and harmful for your health than pot is. But coffee/caffeine addictions is accepted, unlike alcoholism, coffeeing and smoking

Studies have shown that coffee is loaded with anti-oxidants. So... 'Course, black tea has anti-oxidants, too.

You know, though, I never heard anyone talking about how coffee was ruining their life, how they drank like 10 cups of coffee and then wrecked their car killing two other people. I never heard anyone in jail saying they drank too much coffee and then stole to support their habit. I never heard of anyone drinking too much coffee and then passing out and choking on their own vomit, or for that matter OD'ing on coffee. Not that it's not possible, just that I don't think it happens much.

You get it. I seriously don't think coffee's in the same league as alcohol or pot or whatever. Now, nicotine...

i know dude, it was a joke...
i would say anyone that sells more than weed is a bad person though, weeds harmless compared to other drugs

Where do you draw the line?
Weed is a psychoactive substance, especially the skunk blends.
Nobody stoned ever killed anyone, but most ex-stoners are paranoid & slightly disturbed/depressed.
I know very few people who have tried weed & not gone on to try other things too. Maybe it's a British thing, but most of the people I know have tried pretty much everything that isn't injected into the veins & I know very few people who have done anything else illegal or harmed others or themselves irreperably physically

I think everything depends on the individual. Some people I know have smoked a joint (or 10) every day for 30 years & not have a problem, and a few people I know have an alergic reaction to it & it can kill them. It's still a drug, like every other.

i know dude, it was a joke...
i would say anyone that sells more than weed is a bad person though, weeds harmless compared to other drugs

Where do you draw the line?
Weed is a psychoactive substance, especially the skunk blends.
Nobody stoned ever killed anyone, but most ex-stoners are paranoid & slightly disturbed/depressed.
I know very few people who have tried weed & not gone on to try other things too. Maybe it's a British thing, but most of the people I know have tried pretty much everything that isn't injected into the veins & I know very few people who have done anything else illegal or harmed others or themselves irreperably physically

I think everything depends on the individual. Some people I know have smoked a joint (or 10) every day for 30 years & not have a problem, and a few people I know have an alergic reaction to it & it can kill them. It's still a drug, like every other.

well ive had weed 3 or for times and someone gave me a mild ecstasy tablet telling me it was paracetamol
id rather just keep away from the shit

There's a cool 12-step program

That's not the one where you have to believe in a higher power in order to achieve it is it?

South Park did a great critique of that recently, if it's the same thing.

People are always critiquing "that." Either because it didn't "work" or because they never actually tried it. I don't really get it. I mean, it obviously works pretty well for some people. The problem is that some people in 12 Step programs are idiots and say idiotic things like "A.A. is the only way to get sober." Well, if you read the literature put out by A.A. they openly admit that there are other ways to get help. As I am fond of repeating, the problem with A.A. is that it's run by and full of alcoholics.

Personally, it's been 13 years that I've been sober. But, to answer your question, if it's a 12 Step program modeled after A.A. then, yeah, you have to believe in a Higher Power. Usually it's pretty fluid. Something of your own understanding. Most people choose "God." I can see where some people might have trouble working the program. But, to say it doesn't work is silly. Obviously it does. People who otherwise would be left for dead by the medical establishment have gotten sober and enjoy good lives. A lot of people don't realize it but before A.A. alcoholics and drug addicts were locked in mental asylums if they didn't die first or get put in jail for, let's say, anti-social behavior. I don't know if A.A. is for everybody, but it can help some people. I'm fairly certain that without help of A.A.'s 12 Steps I would be a really unhappy, possibly dead, person right now. Instead I have college degrees, a job of 5+years, a wife, four children, etc.

Sorry, not a sales pitch, just my experience.

As far as the drug thing... I judge no man or woman. Some people can do it and it's cool. I couldn't. I envy those who can. Sounds to me like Devin just wanted to give it a shot. I didn't hear any admission of a "problem" so it could just be a growing-out-of-it type of thing. So, if people can handle their high and not hurt anybody, well, sweet. :-D

well ive had weed 3 or for times and someone gave me a mild ecstasy tablet telling me it was paracetamol
id rather just keep away from the shit

Too right.

Spiking is fucked up - there is nothing right about it and for the reasons I mentioned about reactions to substance it's like playing lottery with someone's life. If an individual chooses to try something then the consequences are theirs to deal with, but spiking is never right. If you knew who it was you should kick them in the cunt.


And I'm most certainly not suggesting you become a junkie, just that I don't think it's as easy to say "x drug is better than y drug" because they all have good & bad points but they're all (illegal/potentially dangerous) drugs.

I never heard anyone in jail saying they drank too much coffee and then stole to support their habit. I never heard of anyone drinking too much coffee and then passing out and choking on their own vomit, or for that matter OD'ing on coffee. Not that it's not possible, just that I don't think it happens much.


I never heaed of anyone ODing on pot. More or less technically impossible.

Merck Index, 12th Ed:

the lethal dose for 50% of tested rats when inhaled is 42mg of THC per kilo of bodyweight.

so in theory, a 75kg (165lb) man would have to smoke 21 one gram 15% THC cigarettes, assuming that no THC is lost in combustion.

When ingested, the lethal dose for 50% of tested rats is 1270mg/kg bodyweight for males and 730 mg/kg bodyweight for females. Roughly 1lb of 15% THC cannabis.

Never heard of anyyone passing out and choking on their own vomit from it either.

If you knew who it was you should kick them in the cake.

he used to be my mate, i gave him a chance after that because he appoligised but hes one of those kids who will constantly fuck you over for his benefit. he doesent have many friends anymore...

I've seen at least 3 people go GREY & have a fit after smoking weed

I don't know what the mix was they were smoking, all I know is that everyone else who smoked it was fine & they weren't (on completely separate occasions, divided by miles & years)

It's nothing to do with overdosing, it's allergic reaction, which can happen with any substance to anyone.
It's just pretty scary to experience when you're stoned out of your face because your first reaction is not to help the person but to laugh cos you think they're taking the piss.

(edit: granted, I know of thousands of peope who smoke it without problem)

And that's saying nothing about the long term effects. People who smoke it generally don't or won't admit or know what damage it's doing to them till they stop & take a look at themselves after a while.

I'm no fuckup, but there are certainly things that I didn't do that I wish I had but was too stoned to give a fuck.

If you knew who it was you should kick them in the cake.

he used to be my mate, i gave him a chance after that because he appoligised but hes one of those kids who will constantly fuck you over for his benefit. he doesent have many friends anymore...

He sounds like a dick.

I like the word filter on cunt

there are some great word filters....

*has a look*

ahahahah!

People are always critiquing "that." Either because it didn't "work" or because they never actually tried it. I don't really get it. I mean, it obviously works pretty well for some people. The problem is that some people in 12 Step programs are idiots and say idiotic things like "A.A. is the only way to get sober." Well, if you read the literature put out by A.A. they openly admit that there are other ways to get help. As I am fond of repeating, the problem with A.A. is that it's run by and full of alcoholics.

Personally, it's been 13 years that I've been sober. But, to answer your question, if it's a 12 Step program modeled after A.A. then, yeah, you have to believe in a Higher Power. Usually it's pretty fluid. Something of your own understanding. Most people choose "God." I can see where some people might have trouble working the program. But, to say it doesn't work is silly. Obviously it does. People who otherwise would be left for dead by the medical establishment have gotten sober and enjoy good lives. A lot of people don't realize it but before A.A. alcoholics and drug addicts were locked in mental asylums if they didn't die first or get put in jail for, let's say, anti-social behavior. I don't know if A.A. is for everybody, but it can help some people. I'm fairly certain that without help of A.A.'s 12 Steps I would be a really unhappy, possibly dead, person right now. Instead I have college degrees, a job of 5+years, a wife, four children, etc.

Sorry, not a sales pitch, just my experience.

Hey, man, whatever works for ya is good, right?

What worked for me was gaining a nephew, he woke me up to the beauty of life & made me want to sort myself out so that I could perhaps bring another person into the world myself & there is no way I want to bring a child into the world if I can't support them in at least not being off my mind.
That & being alive after last Xmas eve where I drank £120 in one night & realised that if I continued on that path I would be dead.

Whether there's a higher power or not?
I dunno, but I really prefer to have faith in myself to make the choices that affect my future. I choose to leave the higher power stuff to the idea that they gave us free will for a reason & that's to be strong & learn our own lessons on our own journeys. Strangely enough (or not) I was at my most spiritual when I was high & my least happy.

I never heard anyone in jail saying they drank too much coffee and then stole to support their habit. I never heard of anyone drinking too much coffee and then passing out and choking on their own vomit, or for that matter OD'ing on coffee. Not that it's not possible, just that I don't think it happens much.


I never heaed of anyone ODing on pot. More or less technically impossible.

Merck Index, 12th Ed:

the lethal dose for 50% of tested rats when inhaled is 42mg of THC per kilo of bodyweight.

so in theory, a 75kg (165lb) man would have to smoke 21 one gram 15% THC cigarettes, assuming that no THC is lost in combustion.

When ingested, the lethal dose for 50% of tested rats is 1270mg/kg bodyweight for males and 730 mg/kg bodyweight for females. Roughly 1lb of 15% THC cannabis.

Never heard of anyyone passing out and choking on their own vomit from it either.

I was referring (reefering? lol) to alcohol or other drugs for the most part. I know, I know. Pot is safe. I guess. It wasn't for me.

Hey, man, whatever works for ya is good, right?

What worked for me was gaining a nephew, he woke me up to the beauty of life & made me want to sort myself out so that I could perhaps bring another person into the world myself & there is no way I want to bring a child into the world if I can't support them in at least not being off my mind.
That & being alive after last Xmas eve where I drank £120 in one night & realised that if I continued on that path I would be dead.

Word up, yo.

You know, a similar thing for me... I struggled to quit smoking cigarettes for nigh on 11 years. Was hard as a motherfu**er. Two days after my daughter was born I quit. I wanted to live as long as I could to see what she became and did. So, I haven't had a cigarette (except for that time in Vegas, but what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas) for 2+ years.

Now, if only I could give up masturbation.