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#101973 by Falk
Sun Dec 25, 2005 6:06 pm
The gov' recently tried to make a law about the whole p2p stuff, something like the DMCA. The problem is that this law seems quite biased. Not just that there would be more legal actions against DLers and DRMs on every files so if you have it on your PC you can't even have it in your car of share it with your brother/sister, but it would also reduce a lot the possibility to make open source software (if I understood well, you could still developpe open source software, but couldn't share the source... :roll: mmh yeah ?).
Well to sum up, it doesn't sounds at all like some compromise for the public and respect to the artists' rights, it's just all for the music industry.

But to make a picture of how it happened, basically the "culture minister", literally sold his parents, his childs, and himself to the music industry :
while the p2p debate is quite old now, and a real society question (8M of people use p2p in France), they decided it should be delt with urgently (which means only one 'read' by the parliament or something like that instead of two... Well some juridic stuff I can't really explain) on december the 21 or 22 (so there's not many deputees).
Some guys from virgin and fnac (a virgin-like in France) were presenting some legal DL software just a few meters away from the parliament (a poorly disguised cheap way to try to convince a few deputees).
Also some parts of this law were written or proposed by majors (it's as simple as that), while the associations of open source software and other organisations like that were always ignored.

The 'problem' is that this whole masquerade was so obvious, that when some deputees proposed some amendments against the law, they were accepted by the majority (30 to 28) (the amendment decriminalises DL (not UL), in favor of a "global licence", you pay 5-7€/month, and you're allowed to DL (of course if you don't pay, you'd better not DL :þ).
It really made some waves in the assembly, and while there's usually the left wing against the right wing, feelings were mixed on this question, which shows how complicated it is.

Basically, what was so urgent and had to be settled in a few hours, has now gone out of hands of the minister.
Now you can see how great the democracy is : Not happy with the result, the music industry, oops... I mean the minister, wants to make another vote about those amendments.

The good thing is that the debate has reached another level.
For a while p2p users were discribed as dumb teen who DL cuz' it's free, period. Now, and as much as TV talks about it in a biased way in favor of the music industry*, it starts to be seen as what could be the next place for cultural content (people of all ages use p2p).
Also, a poll (by the association of french artists and singers) shows that 75% of them agree with the concept of "global licence", 12% disagree, 13% have no opinion.
Which shows the whole P2P subject should be studied in details (and particularly this global licence, as there are many different economic direction to analyse, from the singer, to the guy who makes the CD artwork^^, how to know what is DLed and how to redistribute the money, etc etc... differences between music and movies...), rather than settled in a hurry in a biased way, as this could be a whole new era for the aquisition of cultural content.
We'll see in january as the debate continues in a few weeks.

(*when you're interested in a subject, it's amaizing how you realise TV is biased when comparing to radio and newspaper. While this law was headlining all newspaper websites, they were talking about retarded christmass related subject on TV... I mean, they'd rather tell you what toy sold well than talk about this law... Am I watching the news or TV shopping FFS ?!)

#101988 by sj_2150
Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:41 pm
for fucks sake, sooner or later you wont be able to do anything on the net...

#101992 by mo
Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:00 pm
trusted computing

http://www.gnu.org has a segment about it, everyone who uses computers should know what THEY have planned

#114997 by Falk
Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:34 pm
Update ^_^

French gov' sucks... Democraty ? My ass...
The embryo of what could've been a legal p2p with monthly fee to pay the artists is now close to dead, thanks to some poor feints used by the gov'.
In december the parliament or something voted some amendment to legalise DL (not UL), which was exactly the opposite of what the minister wanted :þ (you feel it ?)
For a law that has to be delt with URGENTLY, this was pretty successful^^

After 2 months, and a sorry excuse for a site to create a "dialogue between artists & downloaders" (for the mere price of 180.000€ paid with the citizens money and based on a FREE blog software), the talks about this law started again yesterday.
Previous to that, the gov' used a poor way to simply remove the amendment voted in last december (I skip A LOT of poor feints, or my post will be an encyclopedia, like guys advertising online music store RIGHT INTO the parliament, the culture minister cancelling a chat with p2p users (and removing the aformentioned amandment at the same time), some guy involved in economy and one of his relative in the gov', an amandment called "vivendi/universal", just cuz' they proposed it... doesn't that sounds like financial interest conflict ? mmh ?).
Of course they brang a lot of deputees who don't know shit about p2p just to raise their hand when it was time to vote the law proposal.
When you realise laws are decided this way, you're not surprised the world sucks that much. Everyone can raise his hand for no reason.

I don't know if this "global licence" (pay a monthly fee and downlad legally) was the perfect solution or not (I don't DL that much music/movies, so... in fact I'd rather pay for the good net radios and softwares I DL (like AV, firewall, media player, picture viewer... cuz' those are all things crosoft doesn't seem able to do RIGHT), but now we're on a good way for shitty DRMs and all that crap.
Now french net users risk a 38€ fine if they DL... Wow, the price of 2 albums ! (mmh... more like 1.5 album) I'm soooo scared *yawn*

The gov' promices interoperability will be possible... Arf arf arf... As if 'crosoft and apple will bother sharing their encrypted shitty file format just cuz' tiny little cute french gov' asks them to do so...

I don't bother installing media player 10 for the crappy asx streaming shit, I won't buy copy protected CDs, never, and if the graphic software I use the most are ever available on Linux, I may seriously consider using it (in fact, paying some fee to developpe open source software would make them better).

I don't know if global licence is great or not, but I hope independant artists/labels won't use DRMs.

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