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OK, without spoiling anything for anyone I want to point out some observations I've made:
1) Most people seem to like "Vicarious" more than everything else on the record, which utterly dumbfounds me. Now I think "Vicarious" is awesome, lyrically as well as musically, but I think the rest of the album absolutely SLAYS it.
2) Most people so far also seem to think that this album is somehow boring... Again, I have no possible angle from which I can even attempt to view things from that could even come close to approximating how someone would formulate that opinion. To me, this is one of the most exciting records EVER, not just by Tool's standard.
3) Most people seem to view this album as a step backwards for Tool, while personally I think it just cemented their position in the BIG FUCKIN LEAGUE. I have viewed them in a very high regard since Lateralus, but this album makes Lateralus seem like a pre-school effort. These guys are on par with Devin now! On par with The Mars Volta! The only band they really can't touch is Meshuggah, but this is certainly a step in the right direction as far as that is concerned.
4) Speaking of which, some people also seem to find this album too progressive or "weird for weird's sake"... I guess maybe these people wanted Tool to stay simplistic and minimal, but that is their problem and not Tool's, and definitely not my problem! I find the more progressive nature of this record to be incredible, a natural progression from Lateralus in that it was far more progressive than Ænima and now this is far more progressive than Lateralus.
5) I think that the problem people are facing is the intricacy and the variety of material on this album. It is an overwhelming record, far too much information to digest even over the course of a week or two and a joke to attempt to comprehend upon a first listen. Each album has it's own flavour and this album has a far more cultured, colourful flavour than the others and will thus take a lot longer to get used to.
As for the rumour that this album is a decoy to trick people until the real one comes out, all I can say is that if you have heard this record and you still think that then you are clearly not sane.
People are projecting their own notions of what this record should be onto it and not taking into account that this band have had five years to grow into what they are now and that this record is the culmination of where Tool are at right now and what they wanted to create and release.
They certainly aren't a band that has ever taken what people wanted from them into account and I daresay that is what has kept their quality control so fucking high over the years. Without mentioning names, I cannot help but be dissapointed when I see certain artists taint their output by attempting to cater for their audience. It doesn't matter to me how well that works for them, it makes them seem like lesser artists.
OK, rant over. This album is a landmark for Tool and for music on a whole. Listen to it from start to finish, let it sink in, give it time and multiple plays and I'm sure that you will see the brilliance and sheer depth of what has been achieved here.
1) Most people seem to like "Vicarious" more than everything else on the record, which utterly dumbfounds me. Now I think "Vicarious" is awesome, lyrically as well as musically, but I think the rest of the album absolutely SLAYS it.
2) Most people so far also seem to think that this album is somehow boring... Again, I have no possible angle from which I can even attempt to view things from that could even come close to approximating how someone would formulate that opinion. To me, this is one of the most exciting records EVER, not just by Tool's standard.
3) Most people seem to view this album as a step backwards for Tool, while personally I think it just cemented their position in the BIG FUCKIN LEAGUE. I have viewed them in a very high regard since Lateralus, but this album makes Lateralus seem like a pre-school effort. These guys are on par with Devin now! On par with The Mars Volta! The only band they really can't touch is Meshuggah, but this is certainly a step in the right direction as far as that is concerned.
4) Speaking of which, some people also seem to find this album too progressive or "weird for weird's sake"... I guess maybe these people wanted Tool to stay simplistic and minimal, but that is their problem and not Tool's, and definitely not my problem! I find the more progressive nature of this record to be incredible, a natural progression from Lateralus in that it was far more progressive than Ænima and now this is far more progressive than Lateralus.
5) I think that the problem people are facing is the intricacy and the variety of material on this album. It is an overwhelming record, far too much information to digest even over the course of a week or two and a joke to attempt to comprehend upon a first listen. Each album has it's own flavour and this album has a far more cultured, colourful flavour than the others and will thus take a lot longer to get used to.
As for the rumour that this album is a decoy to trick people until the real one comes out, all I can say is that if you have heard this record and you still think that then you are clearly not sane.
People are projecting their own notions of what this record should be onto it and not taking into account that this band have had five years to grow into what they are now and that this record is the culmination of where Tool are at right now and what they wanted to create and release.
They certainly aren't a band that has ever taken what people wanted from them into account and I daresay that is what has kept their quality control so fucking high over the years. Without mentioning names, I cannot help but be dissapointed when I see certain artists taint their output by attempting to cater for their audience. It doesn't matter to me how well that works for them, it makes them seem like lesser artists.
OK, rant over. This album is a landmark for Tool and for music on a whole. Listen to it from start to finish, let it sink in, give it time and multiple plays and I'm sure that you will see the brilliance and sheer depth of what has been achieved here.
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The Mars Volta are nowhere near as good as Devin and Tool. Devin shits out turds that sound better than The Mars Volta!
As for this album, there's just nothing to it. There's no innovation, no new ground broken, we've heard it all before from Tool. Like I said, it's not bad, but what grabs you? There's nothing that holds my attention, it's just like a slow moving stream, sort of meanders along and does nothing for me.
I hope this is a decoy.
As for this album, there's just nothing to it. There's no innovation, no new ground broken, we've heard it all before from Tool. Like I said, it's not bad, but what grabs you? There's nothing that holds my attention, it's just like a slow moving stream, sort of meanders along and does nothing for me.
I hope this is a decoy.
I'm still not a big fan of Tool, but the album is solid... Or at least up to Rosetta Stone it is. I haven't heard the rest yet because I'm ADD when it comes to music, and especially with Tool because they do tend to drone on at times.
Speaking of which, Greg Reason, I can see why find it strange that people find Tool boring. Really, their music is very dynamic so it shouldn't be boring to anybody, right? Well, you would think that... But I think it's their style that makes the music feel boring for some (including me, sometimes). They have a unique way of building up in their music and it just doesn't work for a lot of people. They use a lot of repetition in their buildups and when the music finally climaxes it always feels too soon because it was as if there was no tension there in the buildup. Of course, many also find Tool's music very intense and the buildups will always grab these people. I'm sure you're of that variety, since you can't figure out why people find the music boring. Anyway, I hope that explained it a little bit.
And Greg, I agree with you about the love affair with Vicarious... It didn't do a whole lot for me, but everything Jambi and after has been solid.
Speaking of which, Greg Reason, I can see why find it strange that people find Tool boring. Really, their music is very dynamic so it shouldn't be boring to anybody, right? Well, you would think that... But I think it's their style that makes the music feel boring for some (including me, sometimes). They have a unique way of building up in their music and it just doesn't work for a lot of people. They use a lot of repetition in their buildups and when the music finally climaxes it always feels too soon because it was as if there was no tension there in the buildup. Of course, many also find Tool's music very intense and the buildups will always grab these people. I'm sure you're of that variety, since you can't figure out why people find the music boring. Anyway, I hope that explained it a little bit.
And Greg, I agree with you about the love affair with Vicarious... It didn't do a whole lot for me, but everything Jambi and after has been solid.
Eyesore wrote:The Mars Volta are nowhere near as good as Devin and Tool. Devin shits out turds that sound better than The Mars Volta!
As for this album, there's just nothing to it. There's no innovation, no new ground broken, we've heard it all before from Tool. Like I said, it's not bad, but what grabs you? There's nothing that holds my attention, it's just like a slow moving stream, sort of meanders along and does nothing for me.
TMV are often better than the both of them.
I'm not going to go into details about this album because a) everyone should be able to work it out for themselves and b) you and I are never going to see eye to eye on any musically related topic. No offense meant, but it's the truth.
fullgore wrote:But I think it's their style that makes the music feel boring for some (including me, sometimes). They have a unique way of building up in their music and it just doesn't work for a lot of people. They use a lot of repetition in their buildups and when the music finally climaxes it always feels too soon because it was as if there was no tension there in the buildup.
I agree with you - up to this album. This album really breaks that cycle, it is not like prior Tool releases in that regard.
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Eyesore wrote:The Mars Volta are nowhere near as good as Devin and Tool. Devin shits out turds that sound better than The Mars Volta!Agreed, but TMV have some moments of insane genius, but sadly they're not really consistent.
Personally I love 10,000 Days, they basically took the framework of Lateralus and then wrote some insanely awesome/experimental songs with it.
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I just pre-ordered it...at 5 am. Didn't download it so that fucker better blow me away!
hmm, 'the pot' is a bit naff. That acappella opening ain't doing it for me and it's a bit of a standard tool song. could have fit on undertow... I guess that'll please a lot of people.
The variety in the vocals is excellent though, throughout the whole album.
The silly intro to Rosetta Stoned is cringe worthy... but that's prog rock for you.
The two parts of 'Wings for Marie' are currently my favourite section of the allbum, lyrically and musically. Jambi rocks nice and hard... more so that much tool of the past.
'Vicarious' doesn't really tear it up until the last two minutes... but I dig those last two minutes a lot. Love that part 'laughable at best - your desire to see angels in the hearts of men'
'Right In Two' is fucking good, though by the time it rolls around I'm a little numb, having not listened to tool for ages. I'm sure with more time I'll be able to dig the whole thing.
Great album. Any flaws will always be pounced on, with a band that inspires such rabid followers and takes five years between releases... but in time those tiny missteps will be forgotten. There isn't anything on here that's truly mediocre, and any 'weirdness for the sake of weirdness' is reined in hard, there isn't a wasted moment really.
Which is more than I can say for Frances the Mute.
More prog releases seem to be getting accepted these days, they seem to have found a place in the musical landscape rather than languishing in their genre ghetto.
But my editor posed the interesting question today... are tool still relevant? Is this actually an important release?
The variety in the vocals is excellent though, throughout the whole album.
The silly intro to Rosetta Stoned is cringe worthy... but that's prog rock for you.
The two parts of 'Wings for Marie' are currently my favourite section of the allbum, lyrically and musically. Jambi rocks nice and hard... more so that much tool of the past.
'Vicarious' doesn't really tear it up until the last two minutes... but I dig those last two minutes a lot. Love that part 'laughable at best - your desire to see angels in the hearts of men'
'Right In Two' is fucking good, though by the time it rolls around I'm a little numb, having not listened to tool for ages. I'm sure with more time I'll be able to dig the whole thing.
Great album. Any flaws will always be pounced on, with a band that inspires such rabid followers and takes five years between releases... but in time those tiny missteps will be forgotten. There isn't anything on here that's truly mediocre, and any 'weirdness for the sake of weirdness' is reined in hard, there isn't a wasted moment really.
Which is more than I can say for Frances the Mute.
More prog releases seem to be getting accepted these days, they seem to have found a place in the musical landscape rather than languishing in their genre ghetto.
But my editor posed the interesting question today... are tool still relevant? Is this actually an important release?
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Eyesore wrote:What grabs you? There's nothing that holds my attention, it's just like a slow moving stream, sort of meanders along and does nothing for me.
For once, I agree.
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dub wrote:There isn't anything on here that's truly mediocre, and any 'weirdness for the sake of weirdness' is reined in hard, there isn't a wasted moment really.
Which is more than I can say for Frances the Mute.
Therein lies the difference between you and I. The only problem I have with Frances is that there aren't CDs long enough to include the title track alongside the rest of the material.
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The Mars Volta have a few good song ideas but they can be so boring eg. Viva Lvasquez (i think thats what its called 
) sound awesome at the start but drags on for 12 minutes!
theyre nowhenere near dev, strapping, meshuggah, tool etc
) sound awesome at the start but drags on for 12 minutes!
theyre nowhenere near dev, strapping, meshuggah, tool etc
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